TommyCarey
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Recently I've been posting jobs on multiple websites trying to find a decent programmer who is willing to take a lower payment in exchange for a retainer each month. Now I'm not saying I'd pay the person $0 to do a ton of work, I would actually pay them something lol.
The job I was looking to get done was a design and programming for a website that would be an easy sell to webmasters and web designers. I posted the job at $300 and in the description I mentioned that I would give an additional 10% of the profits to the designer/programmer for life as a retainer so they could manage the code and add new features if I wanted. Now I probably wouldn't need new features for the first 6 months so all they would really have to do after the launch would be to watch the code and make sure it didn't break.
Now I know for a fact that I can get this website to roughly $3,000 profit per month within 1 to 3 months so most designers and programmers from India and the Philippines would love an additional $300 USD sent to them just to monitor some code each month lol. And who knows, I might be able to get the website to $10,000 a month within the first year 
Now for anyone who doesn't know about India and the Philippines, their minimum wage is roughly $300 USD per month. So basically I'd be giving them minimum wage just to monitor a website lol.
Now to get to my point of you get what you pay for. After going back and forth with a designer/programmer for a week about what I need done, she said she would do it for $200 and the 10% retainer. In my head I'm all like "Well she knows exactly what I need and knows what is going on" but that was far from the case. It seems that she was going to outsource the work to someone and when she accepted my job she sent it to her designer/programmer and they came back telling her that $200 - $300 wasn't enough. She came back and requested that I pay $3,000 for this job to be started and completed within 30 days. Now she never told me she was outsourcing this, but I could tell she was because of how she was acting. She knew exactly what was needed because we went over it and then she came back asking for 1,000% more lol.
Luckily I didn't get stuck in this deal and didn't deposit any money into escrow. But when I was starting out I did get scammed in a situation similar to this. But that was because I was dumb and started talking to the guy off of the platform and just sent him money via paypal and didn't know exactly what to look for when getting scammed
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A good example I have is my main designer. I will show him a listing and he'll tell me what he would want out of it. He understands that I'm going to be the middle man and he doesn't have to do anything but design a website and talk to me. I deal with all the headaches, and he knows this, so he reduces his prices for me so that I can get a nice commission as well. Some of our designs cost $3,000 to $5,000 and that's what he normally charges, but he cuts his price in half so I can make some money too He doesn't have to deal with the clients, monitor emails, have 100s of headaches each month and he loves it. He deals with me and me alone to get the job done. I talk with the clients and get feedback, then forward it to him. THIS is how outsourcing should be done. It should not be done by bidding on everything and then going to your designer or programmer with a job and getting rejected because the bid was too low.
Yeah, it gets annoying over time when I keep running into the same problem. Everyone wants to make money online but they don't want to actually learn anything. They would rather be a middle man and outsource the work to someone who knows how to do it. And then they have to increase the pricing because they bid too low and the programmer won't touch the job, ugh.
Don't get me wrong, I outsource too, but I don't bid $200 to $300 and come back to let the person know that it will now cost $3,000 lmao :D A good example I have is my main designer. I will show him a listing and he'll tell me what he would want out of it. He understands that I'm going to be the middle man and he doesn't have to do anything but design a website and talk to me. I deal with all the headaches, and he knows this, so he reduces his prices for me so that I can get a nice commission as well. Some of our designs cost $3,000 to $5,000 and that's what he normally charges, but he cuts his price in half so I can make some money too :D He doesn't have to deal with the clients, monitor emails, have 100s of headaches each month and he loves it. He deals with me and me alone to get the job done. I talk with the clients and get feedback, then forward it to him. THIS is how outsourcing should be done. It should not be done by bidding on everything and then going to your designer or programmer with a job and getting rejected because the bid was too low.
If I wasn't already working 60+ hours a week I would definitely learn how to do some programming and better my skills in HTML. That way I could just do all the work myself :(
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Additionally, I have found that hiring candidates that have a considerably higher rates will actually save you money in the long run because they get their work done 10 times faster than those who are less experienced.
[quote]Additionally, I have found that hiring candidates that have a considerably higher rates will actually save you money in the long run because they get their work done 10 times faster than those who are less experienced.[/quote]
So true. I've paid a higher price for some programmers in the past and was definitely not disappointed. But when I contacted them to do this job they were either busy or I couldn't afford them lol :D
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Imagine if I got it to $100,000 profit per year, they'd be making $10,000 just to watch something. And the minimum wage in India is slightly lower than $3,600 USD per year.
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous. I mean if they were in India and were getting $300+ a month just to make sure the code works everyday, that's a good life lol :D Imagine if I got it to $100,000 profit per year, they'd be making $10,000 just to watch something. And the minimum wage in India is slightly lower than $3,600 USD per year.
I understand that people have been scammed in the past and this deal sounds too good to be true, but damn, I thought I'd get at least one good programmer wanting to do it lol :D
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I thought so too lol :D
I can market the hell out of any website and I know for a fact that I can get this new system to be very profitable for the amount of time that I have to put into it lol. The only problem is that people on other freelance websites don't know who I am and know that I'm a genuine guy :(
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