Less sales since service bump feature changed

Jadster

Well actually, the new bump feature is better in my eyes. Because we can bump more services in a day, this makes it more likely one of our services will be purchased. Now I know where you are coming from and I understand that you are not happy but I do not think that the new bump feature is a bad thing.

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ericplotz1

Well actually, the new bump feature is better in my eyes. Because we can bump more services in a day, this makes it more likely one of our services will be purchased. Now I know where you are coming from and I understand that you are not happy but I do not think that the new bump feature is a bad thing.

How do you figure we can bump more services a day? We're limited to 5. When I started it was 1 an hour (i'd wake up to piss in the middle of the night and bump a service lol). What was stated was that this new 5 service a day feature would give us more time on the front page. Which it did at first. Now I think people are getting around this by creating many services. When you create a new service it goes to the front page. I see people I follow do it all the time. Not quite sure how you've experienced more sales with this feature. I've gathered analytics for all times of day. When I get the most views, or when someone purchases. For me it seems to be the mornings with American clients. Either way I'm not mad. I'm just not happy with it. I used to make continual sales on a daily basis. I think a lot of it has probably got to do with more and more new sellers joining. Don't know how SEOclerks plans to handle that inevitable outcome but I hope they work it out. The market is only so big. Hopefully the new buyers outweigh the flux of new sellers 100x because if not...............IDK And then with every new seller comes the ability to take 100,000 twitter followers or whatever and make 100 different services with it.

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NaturalWriter

Now I think people are getting around this by creating many services. When you create a new service it goes to the front page. I see people I follow do it all the time.

I understand your point of view, especially with Sellers who create the a lot of the same services over and over again. It's taking away from the Sellers who have different listings, and it's taking up a lot of unnecessary bandwidth as well. I'm not sure how these sort of actions could be deterred...

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karoshio

I have unfortunately also found this to be the case. Since the change from 1 per hour to 5 per day my sales have now dropped around 70%. I would also agree the problem and biggest one IMO is people just keep making new accounts and/or services and/or new services on new accounts.

I think the best option is bringing back 1 per hour. With people constantly getting around it in many forms the only sellers that are losing out are the legitimate ones who do not resort to such methods. At least then it would even the playing field.

Regards,
Karoshio

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ericplotz1

I have unfortunately also found this to be the case. Since the change from 1 per hour to 5 per day my sales have now dropped around 70%. I would also agree the problem and biggest one IMO is people just keep making new accounts and/or services and/or new services on new accounts.

I think the best option is bringing back 1 per hour. With people constantly getting around it in many forms the only sellers that are losing out are the legitimate ones who do not resort to such methods. At least then it would even the playing field.

Regards,
Karoshio

I agree 100%. I think SEOclerks could either do that or at least reward for user levels. Start level 1 off at 5 bumps per day or less and limit the amount of services they can create. It would lessen the spam immensely. Im level 3 and even if they did this and it set me to 5 bumps a day with the chance to advance when I got to level 4, atleast that would give some incentive. I'm working my way to Level 4, and was on a steady path but this has slowed me and made me divert my attentions elsewhere. I focus on only gaining affiliates now and hardly my own services. I sell 30 backlinks. I couldnt see my self making 10 different services out of that one service, mainly because it would saturate the hell out of the market here. I could scrape 1000s of backlinks and sell it 100 different ways but that wouldn't be fair (and I wouldn't dare sell bulk backlinks, the future of novice sites would weigh on my conscious later lol). Question here is, if you can't beat em', do you join em'?

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NaturalWriter

Question here is, if you can't beat em', do you join em'?

I won't. I tend to avoid making unnecessary work for myself, and I don't see the sense in putting all the time and effort in creating dozens of the same listings. Time is money, so in my opinion, you lose money by spending hours on spamming services that people are going to roll their eyes at, rather then make a purchase.

How does a Seller keep all the services straight, and know which ones to bump? I get confused with my 11 services, let alone dozens and dozens of listings, and there are still more I would like to create over time.

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Asmodeus

I also agree 100% that the problem is with sellers creating multiple services on multiple accounts so they can have more time on the front page. I created a thread about the problem happening in the voice over category: https://www.seoclerks.com/forum/th...-is-a-joke.6802/ but I'm now noticing it happening everywhere and if they don't get a handle on it soon it will ruin the marketplace.

They are MANY sellers with multiple accounts creating multiple listings that are just copied from Fiverr, so the legit sellers need to be proactive in reporting these people. I was initially hesitant to do so, but now I feel it's my duty as an honest seller to help clean up the crap.

If we ALL work together on this then MAYBE we still have a chance to save SEOclerks.

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ericplotz1

I just looked at the front page and gotta good laugh. SEOclerks seriously needs a marketplace moderator. I mean some of this stuff is just crap. If people aren't going to spend time in creating a service then why let them sell here? Most of the services on the Home page have no reviews, likes, etc..., The views are all under 300. I get atleast 50-100 views with 1 bump. Used to get 200-300. I almst took a screen shot of the front page but figured it would call someone out, and decided not to. Some of the services are ridiculous.

One service was reselling "something" and telling you the source he/she was using. How in the hell are you ever going to RESELL a service if you tell how you do it. This person had tons of views and no likes which probably means that everyone was reading his ad and going to his source. The title of the service was something like "I will get you this from this source for $$" (It was a good source, thanks! It was a reputable company I have heard of. ) This is the crap that is soaking up the marketplace. Novice marketers just looking for some way to make a buck. And they do minimal. They're here for a few months, because they heard about one of the big seller's here and think, "Hey, maybe I can do that!" Great idea, but if everyone with a dream made it "big" we'd all be broke. Once they realize it, they're gone.

Ive seen some of my competitors actually copy someone elses ad from Fiverr, images and everything. Like, c'mon Ive been selling services on Fiverr for years and have already seen those ads. To my surprise this person is still here using the same ad selling the same service for double. Ive seen many do this.

Definitely agree with you Asmodeus. Gotta do something.

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sunil0021

I also agree 100% that the problem is with sellers creating multiple services on multiple accounts so they can have more time on the front page. I created a thread about the problem happening in the voice over category: https://www.seoclerks.com/forum/th...-is-a-joke.6802/ but I'm now noticing it happening everywhere and if they don't get a handle on it soon it will ruin the marketplace.

They are MANY sellers with multiple accounts creating multiple listings that are just copied from Fiverr, so the legit sellers need to be proactive in reporting these people. I was initially hesitant to do so, but now I feel it's my duty as an honest seller to help clean up the crap.

If we ALL work together on this then MAYBE we still have a chance to save SEOclerks.

Same problem here, i'am tired with same services again and again from a single user, i tried contacting support for that for my own work but they said we will see this later :| I think we should report multiple same services from a single user.

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Beverly

Has anyone else been experiencing less sales since the service bump feature changed? I used to get 1-7 sales a week (which isnt much) before the bump feature changed the limit to 5 services. SEOclerks added this feature to lessen the spamming of the front page but now it seems as though sellers are just creating new services to get to the front page. I bump a service and 2 minutes later it's gone. Now i get, if I am lucky, 1 sale a week. And 50% of my sales are a return customer. SMH Not that happy with this. It's actually made me spend less time focusing on SEOclerks in the last week. I come here, bump my services, and leave.

Bumping is just one way to promote your services. And, if you aren't getting the same results promoting on site (with bumps of services), then find other places such as signature lines on webmaster forums or promote on Facebook groups. There are so many ways to promote a quality service. If one way stops working for you, then find another.

As for repeat business, I don't see this as a bad thing. I rely on repeat business and am very happy to receive it as repeat business is a testimony to the quality work I provide. If my customers didn't like what I offer, they would not reorder.

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Hunter

Well actually, the new bump feature is better in my eyes. Because we can bump more services in a day, this makes it more likely one of our services will be purchased. Now I know where you are coming from and I understand that you are not happy but I do not think that the new bump feature is a bad thing.

And, maybe the bump five per day rule is more fair as it gives everyone a chance to have their services showcased on the subcategory home page, rather than just one person's services.

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ericplotz1

Bumping is just one way to promote your services. And, if you aren't getting the same results promoting on site (with bumps of services), then find other places such as signature lines on webmaster forums or promote on Facebook groups. There are so many ways to promote a quality service. If one way stops working for you, then find another.

As for repeat business, I don't see this as a bad thing. I rely on repeat business and am very happy to receive it as repeat business is a testimony to the quality work I provide. If my customers didn't like what I offer, they would not reorder.

I have 3 fan pages iFraming seoclerks. I have a tumblr page promoting my affiliate store I am building. I have a G+, YouTube channel, paid promotions, advertising with FB campaigns, reddit, etc.... I also have developed a carry over trade, selling info that promotes my SEOclerks affiliate link. As I stated above I have focused on simply promoting SEOclerks and gaining affiliates because I have made more off of one affiliate then I have profited last week off of services.

Either way none of your post has anything to do with the fact that with the new bump feature, sellers are creating services like mad, defeating the whole purpose of giving us more time on the front page. All this feature did was saturate SEOclerks with a ton of regurgitated services.

Also, I never said that my repeated customers were a bad thing. Most of my customers turn into repeat buyers because I give them quality info along with a quality service, ultimately building trust. What I said was, 50% of customers I received were my return customers. I don't have a problem with the customers I have, I have an issue with the ones I don't have due to others disrespecting the SEOclerks platform by regurgitating 1 service 20 times and a new bump feature that caused it.If it were just me experiencing this problem, I would have nothing to say, but it's not just me.

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ericplotz1

And, maybe the bump five per day rule is more fair as it gives everyone a chance to have their services showcased on the subcategory home page, rather than just one person's services.

Everyone is really getting off topic. Could you please elaborate how this is so with the current situation. The point originally was that the new bump feature was causing other sellers, to create multiple services from their one service, consequently causing a new problem that was supposed to be prevented by implementing this feature.

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ionicware

This has become a major problem. Please post your solutions to solving it. We have come up with two:

1) Bump earning system (you have to do something to earn a bump such as deliver an order before your time is up) - duplicate accounts would be restricted from multiple bumps.
2) 1 free bump per day with additional bumps costing a fee

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sunil0021

duplicate accounts would be restricted from multiple bumps.

Like this idea.

PS// why not people with same account can not bump same type of service?

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NaturalWriter

PS// why not people with same account can not bump same type of service?

- Sunil Bishnoi

I don't believe it would be for people with they same type of services, as many sellers have different price listings. I think it's for sellers who have duplicate listings, with the same images, copied description, etc. Every listing you put up, has to be different from the others

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ericplotz1

This has become a major problem. Please post your solutions to solving it. We have come up with two:

1) Bump earning system (you have to do something to earn a bump such as deliver an order before your time is up) - duplicate accounts would be restricted from multiple bumps.
2) 1 free bump per day with additional bumps costing a fee

Good morning Jordan (6:47 am here in CA),

Both are good ideas. However, I do not see how this will prevent sellers from creating multiple services from just one service. That is the whole reason the 5 a day bump is not as effective as when we first started implementing it. I liked the feature, as it WAS giving me more time on the front page. Then certain sellers got hip to the fact that they could just create new services to get on the front page.

Another problem is the flux of new sellers coming into SEOclerks. If you go to the front page, a lot of the time it is full of services with no reviews (besides the features). I don't see any other way to combat this other then to put limitations on new sellers. Not excluding myself considering I am level 3. For instance, 1 free bump a day with additional bumps costing a fee is a great idea for Level 1's. It will definitely weed out the good and the bad and slow it down a bit. Then step up from there with more bumps awarded to higher levels and I think for your benefit, should offer the option to buy more bumps on all user levels. Honestly, I wouldn't pay for a bump, so it will be interesting to hear others feedback on this.

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Asmodeus

I still think that lowering the bumps to maybe 2 a day would help a lot. No, it wouldn't prevent duplicate services, BUT then it wouldn't matter if a seller did have 37 duplicate services, as they'd still only be able to bump 2 listings a day, thus lessening the overcrowding on the front page.

Yes, they would then continue to create multiple accounts to get more bumps, but that's really the overall problem we are discussing in the first place, so what we really need to do is combat the multiple account issue. That involves a community effort, rather than passively complaining about it.

In the past few days I have been working closely with @EricElliott to help weed out muliple duplicate accounts from the marketplace and I firmly believe that if each of us does our part, then we can win this battle.

After all, in the end it's really us, as the honest sellers, who benefit from our own community efforts, right??

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sunil0021

Why not we start something like this.

Users are allowed to bump services according to their levels?
Maybe something like this.

Level X5/4/3 - 5 bumps a day
Level 3 - 4 bumps a day
Level 2 - 3 bumps a day
Level 1 - 2 bumps a day

Anyone with me? Maybe this system help us to reduce bumping from duplicate accounts and same services too, because level 1 user has only 2 bump chances so i think he/she want's to use it carefully.

Just a suggestion.

- Sunil Bishnoi

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ericplotz1

I still think that lowering the bumps to maybe 2 a day would help a lot. No, it wouldn't prevent duplicate services, BUT then it wouldn't matter if a seller did have 37 duplicate services, as they'd still only be able to bump 2 listings a day, thus lessening the overcrowding on the front page.

Yes, they would then continue to create multiple accounts to get more bumps, but that's really the overall problem we are discussing in the first place, so what we really need to do is combat the multiple account issue. That involves a community effort, rather than passively complaining about it.

In the past few days I have been working closely with @EricElliott to help weed out muliple duplicate accounts from the marketplace and I firmly believe that if each of us does our part, then we can win this battle.

After all, in the end it's really us, as the honest sellers, who benefit from our own community efforts, right??

Asmodeus, this still doesn't stop someone from taking 10,000 twitter followers and turning it into 10-20 different services, which didn't become a huge problem until the bump service feature was changed. Limiting lower level users is a way more effective method all around. Im level 3, limit me, whatever.

The 5 day bump feature is causing a massive loss in sales. If you take it down to two, what's to stop sellers from taking the 10,000 twitter followers (or whatever)that they made 10-20 services out of, to now kicking it up to even more services.

I mean literally all I would have to do is keep copying and pasting services and deleting the old ones. If I get a good review, it will still be on my profile, the service just won't be there. The only reasonable method to tackle this problem and have the most positive result for everyone is if we limit user levels and reward people for leveling up, along with limiting sellers on the amount of services they can create. That's the only way to tackle this situation from all angles.

What will happen if you limit the bumps even more is you are just giving more room for the sellers that are turning their one service into 20, 30 and 40 different services and limiting the honest sellers like me who refuse to do something like that. [quote]I still think that lowering the bumps to maybe 2 a day would help a lot. No, it wouldn't prevent duplicate services, BUT then it wouldn't matter if a seller did have 37 duplicate services, as they'd still only be able to bump 2 listings a day, thus lessening the overcrowding on the front page. Yes, they would then continue to create multiple accounts to get more bumps, but that's really the overall problem we are discussing in the first place, so what we really need to do is combat the multiple account issue. That involves a community effort, rather than passively complaining about it. In the past few days I have been working closely with @[USER=42294]EricElliott[/USER] to help weed out muliple duplicate accounts from the marketplace and I firmly believe that if each of us does our part, then we can win this battle. After all, in the end it's really us, as the honest sellers, who benefit from our own community efforts, right??[/quote] Asmodeus, this still doesn't stop someone from taking 10,000 twitter followers and turning it into 10-20 different services, which didn't become a huge problem until the bump service feature was changed. Limiting lower level users is a way more effective method all around. Im level 3, limit me, whatever. The 5 day bump feature is causing a massive loss in sales. If you take it down to two, what's to stop sellers from taking the 10,000 twitter followers (or whatever)that they made 10-20 services out of, to now kicking it up to even more services. I mean literally all I would have to do is keep copying and pasting services and deleting the old ones. If I get a good review, it will still be on my profile, the service just won't be there. The only reasonable method to tackle this problem and have the most positive result for everyone is if we limit user levels and reward people for leveling up, along with limiting sellers on the amount of services they can create. That's the only way to tackle this situation from all angles. What will happen if you limit the bumps even more is you are just giving more room for the sellers that are turning their one service into 20, 30 and 40 different services and limiting the honest sellers like me who refuse to do something like that.

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ericplotz1

Why not we start something like this.

Users are allowed to bump services according to their levels?
Maybe something like this.

Level X5/4/3 - 5 bumps a day
Level 3 - 4 bumps a day
Level 2 - 3 bumps a day
Level 1 - 2 bumps a day

Anyone with me? Maybe this system help us to reduce bumping from duplicate accounts and same services too, because level 1 user has only 2 bump chances so i think he/she want's to use it carefully.

Just a suggestion.

- Sunil Bishnoi

I am definitely with you on this! Its what I have been saying the whole time. Also we should limit the amount of services new sellers can create. Without limiting the amount of services created, we will still be fighting fire with fire.

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NaturalWriter

I totally disagree with giving the crap end of the stick to level one sellers.
We all were level one at some point, and to further them down the drain to only give them two bumps a day is terrible; especially when they struggle enough as it is. Not to mention having the other levels dominating over them even more then it's happening now, won't give them a leg to stand on. As far as paying for bumps, I most certainly wouldn't, and further more, to charge level one sellers, when they're working hard to gain revenue and their fighting their way out of the quicksand, they shouldn't have to worry about paying for their bumps. Let the higher level pay for bumps then, because we're the "Successful ones", but no one is going to agree with that. A person might as well pay for a category feature, then pay for a bumping system....

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Asmodeus

Asmodeus, this still doesn't stop someone from taking 10,000 twitter followers and turning it into 10-20 different services, which didn't become a huge problem until the bump service feature was changed. Limiting lower level users is a way more effective method all around. Im level 3, limit me, whatever.

The 5 day bump feature is causing a massive loss in sales. If you take it down to two, what's to stop sellers from taking the 10,000 twitter followers (or whatever)that they made 10-20 services out of, to now kicking it up to even more services.

I mean literally all I would have to do is keep copying and pasting services and deleting the old ones. If I get a good review, it will still be on my profile, the service just won't be there. The only reasonable method to tackle this problem and have the most positive result for everyone is if we limit user levels and reward people for leveling up, along with limiting sellers on the amount of services they can create. That's the only way to tackle this situation from all angles.

What will happen if you limit the bumps even more is you are just giving more room for the sellers that are turning their one service into 20, 30 and 40 different services and limiting the honest sellers like me who refuse to do something like that.

I usually agree with you on a lot of things, but this ~~explanation makes no sense at all.~~

EDIT: @NaturalWriter just explained to me that a newly created service automatically bumps to the front page, so....ummm, maybe there should be a limit to services created or not allow them on the frontpage until they have "aged"??

If you limit the amount of bumps to 2, as I've suggested, then it wouldn't matter if a person had 100,000 duplicate services, as he could still only bump twice for that account, not 100,000 times, so it would be less frequent bumping, and therefore better for everyone.

While duplicate services are a pain sometimes to see, it's the duplicate ACCOUNTS that are the real problem when it comes to bumping, as then EACH account can bump 5 times. If everyone was only allowed just ONE account, then no matter how many services they actually have in that account, they could only bump the allowed times, instead of just moving from account to acount and bumping each time. [quote]Asmodeus, this still doesn't stop someone from taking 10,000 twitter followers and turning it into 10-20 different services, which didn't become a huge problem until the bump service feature was changed. Limiting lower level users is a way more effective method all around. Im level 3, limit me, whatever. The 5 day bump feature is causing a massive loss in sales. If you take it down to two, what's to stop sellers from taking the 10,000 twitter followers (or whatever)that they made 10-20 services out of, to now kicking it up to even more services. I mean literally all I would have to do is keep copying and pasting services and deleting the old ones. If I get a good review, it will still be on my profile, the service just won't be there. The only reasonable method to tackle this problem and have the most positive result for everyone is if we limit user levels and reward people for leveling up, along with limiting sellers on the amount of services they can create. That's the only way to tackle this situation from all angles. What will happen if you limit the bumps even more is you are just giving more room for the sellers that are turning their one service into 20, 30 and 40 different services and limiting the honest sellers like me who refuse to do something like that.[/quote] I usually agree with you on a lot of things, but this [S]explanation makes no sense at all. [/S] EDIT: @[USER=169211]NaturalWriter[/USER] just explained to me that a newly created service automatically bumps to the front page, so....ummm, maybe there should be a limit to services created or not allow them on the frontpage until they have "aged"?? If you limit the amount of bumps to 2, as I've suggested, then it wouldn't matter if a person had 100,000 duplicate services, as he could still only bump twice for that account, not 100,000 times, so it would be less frequent bumping, and therefore better for everyone. While duplicate services are a pain sometimes to see, it's the duplicate ACCOUNTS that are the real problem when it comes to bumping, as then EACH account can bump 5 times. If everyone was only allowed just ONE account, then no matter how many services they actually have in that account, they could only bump the allowed times, instead of just moving from account to acount and bumping each time.

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NaturalWriter

Making duplicate accounts is a HUGE issue, I agree... However, dear, I believe Eric is trying to elaborate the significance of how each new listing that is created by a seller goes directly on the front page. Is there anyway to not have this happen automatically???

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NaturalWriter

Making duplicate accounts is a HUGE issue, I agree... However, dear, I believe Eric is trying to elaborate the significance of how each new listing that is created by a seller goes directly on the front page. Is there anyway to not have this happen automatically???

The light bulb just went off...LOL Yes... I'm quoting myself but, just bare with me...

Have the new listings that are created incorporated within the bumping system.

For instance:
I created two new listings. That would be classified as TWO bumps.
I go to create a 6th listing, and it states "Oops! You've already accumulated your bumps for today. Please try again tomorrow."

Have the listings incorporated with the bumping system!!! That will fix it!!

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ericplotz1

The light bulb just went off...LOL Yes... I'm quoting myself but, just bare with me...

Have the new listings that are created incorporated within the bumping system.

For instance:
I created two new listings. That would be classified as TWO bumps.
I go to create a 6th listing, and it states "Oops! You've already accumulated your bumps for today. Please try again tomorrow."

Have the listings incorporated with the bumping system!!! That will fix it!!

Great idea!!! Two thumbs up for you!

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NaturalWriter

Great idea!!! Two thumbs up for you!

But the defining question is going to be....

COULD THIS WORK??

What do you fella's think?
@karoshio @jordan @EricElliott

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Asmodeus

Why not we start something like this.

Users are allowed to bump services according to their levels?
Maybe something like this.

Level X5/4/3 - 5 bumps a day
Level 3 - 4 bumps a day
Level 2 - 3 bumps a day
Level 1 - 2 bumps a day

Anyone with me? Maybe this system help us to reduce bumping from duplicate accounts and same services too, because level 1 user has only 2 bump chances so i think he/she want's to use it carefully.

Just a suggestion.

- Sunil Bishnoi

I actually think it should be the reverse of this scale, with LESS bumps for higher levels, as they already get outside promotion through other clerk related sites and SEOclerks affiliate stores (as most only pull level 3+ listings) as a benefit to acheiving the higher levels, whereas new level one members don't have much to help them accept for the bumping system, so that is what they can use as they work their way up the ranks.

Yes, they can promote themselves offsite on Facebook and whatnot, but we can all do that without needing to be any special level. However, since the discussion is about bumping then I think the level 1 users shouldn't have that benefit lowered. It's one of the unique advantages to being at SEOclerks over selling at Fiverr.

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twayne

Yes this is a great i dea that can help solve the situation.

The light bulb just went off...LOL Yes... I'm quoting myself but, just bare with me...

Have the new listings that are created incorporated within the bumping system.

For instance:
I created two new listings. That would be classified as TWO bumps.
I go to create a 6th listing, and it states "Oops! You've already accumulated your bumps for today. Please try again tomorrow."

Have the listings incorporated with the bumping system!!! That will fix it!!

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hitmeasap

Wow, this was a lot of reading..

This has become a major problem. Please post your solutions to solving it. We have come up with two:

1) Bump earning system (you have to do something to earn a bump such as deliver an order before your time is up) - duplicate accounts would be restricted from multiple bumps.
2) 1 free bump per day with additional bumps costing a fee

The second mentioned, 1 free, would probably be "welcomed by those who can't or aren't willing to "invest". Users could still create multiple accounts though. That said, I personally think it would be best to actually charge money for it. $0,10 or whatever, each time and still have a limit on how many bumps you can do per 24 hours.

That will definitely sort out the weeds from the grass, so to speak. Users wouldn't benefit by creating multiple accounts etc.

The first option, is actually quite unclear. I don't understand the exact meaning of it. Well, I don't understand this: "duplicate accounts would be restricted from multiple bumps."

So, if I had 2 accounts, I wouldn't be allowed to bump several services on both accounts even though I've earned it?

Any kind of changes regarding this, will probably affect SEOClerks as a Marketplace. Free bumps for everyone would fill the first page with hundreds of services. Limit the amount of bumps affects the marketplace in the same way as above, because people are creating multiple accounts. Limit the amount of bumps according to user levels. Level X - 5 bumps etc. will probably affect the marketplace in the same way as stated above too.. People will create multiple accounts, so they can bump as many services as possible.

A small fee for bumps, will most likely affect new users, in a very bad way, since I doubt any of the new sellers will invest, which results in a less crowded first page, but sellers who's already built some reputation and got clients regularly, will probably benefit the most..

Honestly,
I think this is a battle you can't win entirely. Whatever changes you'll make, will end up "hurting" some people. Meanwhile others will benefit. The question is, how you'll come up with a solution that actually "fits" everyone.. or a solution that is the least painful for everyone.

Regards,
hitmeasap Wow, this was a lot of reading.. [quote]This has become a major problem. Please post your solutions to solving it. We have come up with two: 1) Bump earning system (you have to do something to earn a bump such as deliver an order before your time is up) - duplicate accounts would be restricted from multiple bumps. 2) 1 free bump per day with additional bumps costing a fee[/quote] [B]The second mentioned, [/B]1 free, would probably be "welcomed by those who can't or aren't willing to "invest". Users could still create multiple accounts though. That said, I personally think it would be best to actually charge [B]money[/B] for it. $0,10 or whatever, each time and still have a limit on how many bumps you can do per 24 hours. That will definitely sort out the weeds from the grass, so to speak. Users wouldn't benefit by creating multiple accounts etc. [B]The first option,[/B] is actually quite unclear. I don't understand the exact meaning of it. Well, I don't understand this: "duplicate accounts would be restricted from multiple bumps." So, if I had 2 accounts, I wouldn't be allowed to bump several services on both accounts even though I've earned it? Any kind of changes regarding this, will probably affect SEOClerks as a Marketplace. Free bumps for everyone would fill the first page with hundreds of services. Limit the amount of bumps affects the marketplace in the same way as above, because people are creating multiple accounts. Limit the amount of bumps according to user levels. Level X - 5 bumps etc. will probably affect the marketplace in the same way as stated above too.. People will create multiple accounts, so they can bump as many services as possible. A small fee for bumps, will most likely affect new users, in a very bad way, since I doubt any of the new sellers will invest, which results in a less crowded first page, but sellers who's already built some reputation and got clients regularly, will probably benefit the most.. Honestly, I think this is a battle you can't win entirely. Whatever changes you'll make, will end up "hurting" some people. Meanwhile others will benefit. The question is, how you'll come up with a solution that actually "fits" everyone.. or a solution that is the least painful for everyone. Regards, hitmeasap

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The free bump, would that be on top of the current five bumps we are allowed in a 24 hour period of time or a replacement for the five bumps?

Also, this thing about bumps based on level I support as it's hard to earn a level. More bumps for higher level would be an awesome incentive to do a better job and level up here. Everyone at Level 3 and X worked hard to get to that spot. When one person can create a hundred Level one accounts and then spam services and bump each one five times a day, that is a huge competition against the Level X people who put in years working here.

I don't know if that directly confronts the issue of multiple accounts being created to advertise services on the marketplace, but it has relevance for motivating sellers to do a better job.

One idea (if no one else has mentioned it) would be to IP check all services created for the marketplace and flag multiple accounts originating from the same IP, IF those accounts are creating identical service listings.

Example: ONE IP having ten accounts all with the same service listing: "2000 twitter followers in one hour".

This could curb the trend of some sellers who are creating dozens of accounts for the purpose of advertising identical/duplicate services and then bumping those services constantly to dominate the first page of a subcategory. That kind of thing cheats everyone.

This method of IP check that matches all members using the same IP is commonly done on forums, to identify forum spammers, to allow ban by IP.

The flagged service could then be manually reviewed by a staff member.

There is an exception to this. Some members of SEOClerks share an IP address, such as family members using the same computer. And, so it's understandable that their IP would match another members. And, there is nothing wrong with that as families often share a computer.

However, in those situations, each seller offers unique (not identical or duplicate) services. In other words, though those two people share the same IP, they don't share the same services. An exception for this type of situation would need to be in place to prevent legitimate SEOClerks members from having services flagged for moderation or spam on the marketplace.

I hope what I'm saying is coming across in the way I intend as I'm just as concerned about the marketplace service spam and bumping issues as everyone else. The free bump, would that be on top of the current five bumps we are allowed in a 24 hour period of time or a replacement for the five bumps? Also, this thing about bumps based on level I support as it's hard to earn a level. More bumps for higher level would be an awesome incentive to do a better job and level up here. Everyone at Level 3 and X worked hard to get to that spot. When one person can create a hundred Level one accounts and then spam services and bump each one five times a day, that is a huge competition against the Level X people who put in years working here. I don't know if that directly confronts the issue of multiple accounts being created to advertise services on the marketplace, but it has relevance for motivating sellers to do a better job. One idea (if no one else has mentioned it) would be to IP check all services created for the marketplace and flag multiple accounts originating from the same IP, IF those accounts are creating identical service listings. Example: ONE IP having ten accounts all with the same service listing: "2000 twitter followers in one hour". This could curb the trend of some sellers who are creating dozens of accounts for the purpose of advertising identical/duplicate services and then bumping those services constantly to dominate the first page of a subcategory. That kind of thing cheats everyone. This method of IP check that matches all members using the same IP is commonly done on forums, to identify forum spammers, to allow ban by IP. The flagged service could then be manually reviewed by a staff member. There is an exception to this. Some members of SEOClerks share an IP address, such as family members using the same computer. And, so it's understandable that their IP would match another members. And, there is nothing wrong with that as families often share a computer. However, in those situations, each seller offers unique (not identical or duplicate) services. In other words, though those two people share the same IP, they don't share the same services. An exception for this type of situation would need to be in place to prevent legitimate SEOClerks members from having services flagged for moderation or spam on the marketplace. I hope what I'm saying is coming across in the way I intend as I'm just as concerned about the marketplace service spam and bumping issues as everyone else.

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If they should decide to charge for having the privilege to bump, then they should scratch getting 20% from sales being made; especially if you're still able to create unlimited listings just to stay on the front page.

When it comes to the duplicate account issue, this is a MAJOR problem as it ultimately has to do with bumping, but I think we should be focusing on one thing at a time.

"So, if I had 2 accounts, I wouldn't be allowed to bump several services on both accounts even though I've earned it?"

No one is allowed to have duplicate accounts, so... No, they wouldn't have earned EXTRA privileges to bump, because that is going against the TOS and could and perhaps should earn them a ban instead.

I can't speak on behalf of the dishonest people who try to screw people around every corner, but I can defend the honest workers who believe in fair play and equality.

My suggestion was a great idea, and I honestly believe it would work. It would cancel out having new listings being bumped on the front page straight time.

"Have the new listings that are created incorporated within the bumping system.

For instance:
I created two new listings. That would be classified as TWO bumps.
I go to create a 6th listing, and it states "Oops! You've already accumulated your bumps for today. Please try again tomorrow."

Have the listings incorporated with the bumping system!!! That will fix it!!"

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Beverly

This has become a major problem. Please post your solutions to solving it. We have come up with two:

1) Bump earning system (you have to do something to earn a bump such as deliver an order before your time is up) - duplicate accounts would be restricted from multiple bumps.

The bump earnings system is a good idea as it encourages productivity and fast delivery.

What if the service being delivered to the seller is automatically bumped upon completion?

With no other bumps allowed. Such as if a seller doesn't complete work, then they don't get to bump anything.

So if I completed a 'get 60 discussions on your forum' service and delivered to my buyer, then that specific service would be bumped instantly.

Obviously, if I had just completed that order, I would want to get more like it, rather than bumping an obscure rarely used service that never earns money.

Another incentive for sellers to deliver very fast results to buyers.

And, maybe someone else mentioned this idea before, if so, I second the idea.

This would be effective as it would mean that anyone with a duplicate account would have to produce results; sell and deliver services on that specific account just to earn a bump of the same service. So in that way, duplicate accounts don't get a free ride and only those members who produce results are rewarded.

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ionicware

Thanks for your feedback guys. We've implemented a solution that should fix this issue which is a points based system. Read more about it here: https://www.seoclerk.com/forum/thr...ump-system.7129/

and let us know if you have other suggestions/ideas to add to it.

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eziscript

I love this new Bump system.. Its help me to stay on top for longer time.

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Sean101

I will go ahead and lock this thread now.
Please check out the Announcement Thread about the New Bumping System here...
https://www.seoclerk.com/forum/thr...ump-system.7129/

Please feel free to leave a reply with your thoughts, opinions, questions, etc.. on that that thread.

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SEOClerks

Less sales since service bump feature changed

Less sales since service bump feature changed

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